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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 16 Jan 01 Volume 18 : Issue 7
Today's Topics:
(A) MacNet2phone
(Q) How to run 68K software on a powermac?
(Q) How to run 68K software on a powermac?
1. slow mac 2. connecting to ISDN of small network
[*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 1
[*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 10
[*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 2
[*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 3
[*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 4
[Q] Software for Disk defragmentation
[Q] Software for Disk defragmentation
Anyone with Experience Loading OS9 on UMAX S900?
Dollars and $ense patch
Ethernet question
Finance & Checkbook Program
Finance & Checkbook Program
Fwd: Quicken Deluxe 2001
green eyeshade bookkeeping
Info-Mac digest and Eudora
Information Transfer
Internet config. and boot up cd
Mac: CD Labeling Software Compatible with Mac G4-OS9
ODBC Database Needed?!!
RAM Disk Startup?
Repeat: Anybody heard of these games?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:46:05 -0500
From: "[email protected]"
To: [email protected]
Subject: (A) MacNet2phone
Dear Digest readers,
I sure hope this isn't a hoax, but I just got e-mail from
http://www.macnet2phone.com
saying it is just about ready. If you want to you can join the
mailing list at the bottom of the webpage above to be informed when
it will be released. The rates will be the same as net2phone for
the PC.
Software is apparently free!
Sincerely,
[email protected]
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Date: 11 Jan 2001 08:47:30 -0500
From: Bill Waits
To:
Subject: (Q) How to run 68K software on a powermac?
>Subject: (Q) How to run 68K software on a powermac?
>
>I have an older program that I need to run. It was written for 68K Macs,
>and will work only using 16K addressing (breaks otherwise). Now, I only
>have powermacs and a G4 to work with. Is there a way to run older software
>like this on newer machines (system 8-9) -- an emulator for OS's using 16K
>addressing, perhaps?
Try the following URL:
http://emulation.net/macintosh/index.html
It gives information regarding emulating a Mac Plus. You don't get much more 16 bit than that....!
Hope that this helps...Bill Waits
Graphics IT Admin
Year One, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:13 -0600
From: "Chaz Larson [mailing lists]"
To: Robert Whallon , [email protected]
Subject: (Q) How to run 68K software on a powermac?
At 10:19 AM -0500 1/10/01, Robert Whallon wrote:
>I have an older program that I need to run. It was written for 68K Macs,
>and will work only using 16K addressing (breaks otherwise). Now, I only
>have powermacs and a G4 to work with. Is there a way to run older software
>like this on newer machines (system 8-9) -- an emulator for OS's using 16K
>addressing, perhaps?
vMac might be what you want.
It might be less trouble to buy an old Mac capable of 16-bit
addressing via eBay. You can probably find an SE/30 for under $40.
SEs appear to be going for as little as $10.
chazl
--
And the license said you had to stick around until I was dead, but if you're
tired of looking at my face I guess I already am.
- Liz Phair, Divorce Song
Chaz Larson - chaz at spamcop dot net - http://www.visi.com/~chaz
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:32:46 +0200
From: "Dr. Peter Stoyanov"
To: [email protected]
Subject: 1. slow mac 2. connecting to ISDN of small network
Dear List,
I have 2 questions:
1. Over the past month my iMac is getting increasingly slower. I've
done what I thought is needed - rebuilt desktop, zapped PRAM,
defragmented HD and checked HD for problems with Norton and
DiskWarrior, limited virtual memory to 1 MB. Nothing helped, the
computer is stil slower then was before - takes too much time for
apps to launch/perform tasks, Can some kind soul advice what should I
do. I can't reformat HD right now.
2. I think about installing ISDN line here. Since in Bulgaria Macs
(and ISDN btw) are not very popular, thus the technician at the
telecom would hardly help a lot, my I ask you for comments about
connecting 2 iMacs (and iBook which I'm supposed to receive in couple
of weeks) to Internet (there are ISP that offer ISDN connections),
just how to do the modem connection (as far as I know the iMac/iBook
build-in modem will not work with ISDN line), etc. Or point to a web
site where I can find answers.
MTIA
Peter
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Date: 13 Jan 2001
From: Haruhiko Nakasu
To:
Subject: [*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 1
These sounds are able to use for system sounds. When you put sounds
into 'System', System can recognize these Sounds.
These files are Freewares. You may freely copy and redistribute it.
Have Fun!
Home Page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mn5h-nks/
[Archived as /info-mac/art/snd/harus-beep-1.hqx; 142 K]
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Date: 13 Jan 2001
From: Haruhiko Nakasu
To:
Subject: [*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 10
These sounds are able to use for system sounds. When you put sounds
into 'System', System can recognize these Sounds.
These files are Freewares. You may freely copy and redistribute it.
Have Fun!
Home Page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mn5h-nks/
[Archived as /info-mac/art/snd/harus-beep-10.hqx; 454 K]
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Date: 13 Jan 2001
From: Haruhiko Nakasu
To:
Subject: [*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 2
These sounds are able to use for system sounds. When you put sounds
into 'System', System can recognize these Sounds.
These files are Freewares. You may freely copy and redistribute it.
Have Fun!
Home Page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mn5h-nks/
[Archived as /info-mac/art/snd/harus-beep-2.hqx; 510 K]
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Date: 13 Jan 2001
From: Haruhiko Nakasu
To:
Subject: [*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 3
These sounds are able to use for system sounds. When you put sounds
into 'System', System can recognize these Sounds.
These files are Freewares. You may freely copy and redistribute it.
Have Fun!
Home Page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mn5h-nks/
[Archived as /info-mac/art/snd/harus-beep-3.hqx; 390 K]
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Date: 13 Jan 2001
From: Haruhiko Nakasu
To:
Subject: [*] Haru's Beep Sounds No. 4
These sounds are able to use for system sounds. When you put sounds
into 'System', System can recognize these Sounds.
These files are Freewares. You may freely copy and redistribute it.
Have Fun!
Home Page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~mn5h-nks/
[Archived as /info-mac/art/snd/harus-beep-4.hqx; 490 K]
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Date: 11 Jan 2001 08:57:25 -0500
From: Bill Waits
To:
Subject: [Q] Software for Disk defragmentation
>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 01:30:33 -0900
>From: "Tim Judd"
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Q] Software for Disk defragmentation
>
>Hi, I'm having trouble finding some software to defragment the MacOS hard
>drive. I've seen Symantec produce a package called "Norton Utilities" that
>has this disk "optimizer" or defragmenter. And as far as I can tell, they
>are the only manufacturer for disk defragmentation utilities?
>
>Who, if anyone, also produces disk defragmenters? I know there *were*
>others, but that was OS 7.x days.
I'm using OS9.0.4, and want to >defragment. Suggestions please.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>--Tim J.
There is also TechTool Pro 3. It is a wonderful diagnostic tool, and comes with a disk defragmenter as well.
Also, Alsoft has PlusOptimizer which optimizes HFS+ drives, but is not as flexible as other tools. Supposedly, DiskExpress Pro will be available to optimize HFS+ drives, but it has been a long time coming, so I wouldn't hold your breath. It will work with just HFS drives, but the literature indicates that it only works with MacOS up until MacOS 8.6, so with 9.0.4, I would stay away from it, even though I know that there are some people are using it with 9.0.4.
Hope that this helps...
Bill Waits
Graphics IT Admin
Year One, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:00:06 -0700
From: Ted Logan
To: "Tim Judd"
Subject: [Q] Software for Disk defragmentation
Tim:
I've been using Norton Utilities for Macintosh for years, including
the defragmenter module called Speed Disk. A couple of years ago
there were some incidental problems involving HFS+ volumes, but all
that's been resolved and now NUM runs fine and does its job.
I use NUM 5.0 Speed Disk with OS 9.0.4 on a G3/266 with no problems.
The boot disk with 5.0 is Mac OS 8.6. I haven't tried NUM 6.0 yet,
but here's the URL:
http://www.symantec.com/nu/nu_mac/
Ted Logan
Logan Writing, Inc.
Lake Havasu City, Arizona
[email protected]
>Hi, I'm having trouble finding some software to defragment the MacOS hard
>drive. I've seen Symantec produce a package called "Norton Utilities" that
>has this disk "optimizer" or defragmenter. And as far as I can tell, they
>are the only manufacturer for disk defragmentation utilities?
>
>Who, if anyone, also produces disk defragmenters? I know there *were*
>others, but that was OS 7.x days.
I'm using OS9.0.4, and want to>defragment. Suggestions please.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>--Tim J.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Date: 11 Jan 2001 08:40:07 -0500
From: Bill Waits
To:
Subject: Anyone with Experience Loading OS9 on UMAX S900?
>From: "Fanning, Alan W. (PS, NE)"
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Anyone with Experience Loading OS9 on UMAX S900?
>
>
>I would like to correspond with someone with experience loading OS9 on their
>UMAX S900. I would like to make this upgrade on my machine to be more
>compatible with my kid's relatively late model Mac's and to use a PCI USB
>card I purchased. This card uses Apple's USB card software which, according
>to Apple's web site, requires OS 8.6 (maybe 8.5?) as a minimum.
>
>
>When I tried to load OS9 last fall, the installation bombed out midway. The
>log suggested to me at least one problem is that the installer is trying to
>upgrade the driver on my non-Apple hard drive. I know that is a no-no but
>apparently wasn't successful in preventing it from happening. There is a
>trick here somewhere...
>
>I've also had terrible problems with upgrading my third party hard disk
>driver. The original driver on the drive I was working with (a Quantum 4.5
>Gb drive) was APS PowerTools v4.1. I purchased Hard Disk Storage Tools from
>Mac Gurus and updated the driver with that, but found that the read/write
>performance was dramatically (~50%) lower than with the old driver when
>tested with the HDST software. After trying to load OS 9 without success, I
>reverted to the original APS PowerTools driver.
>
>I later tried to update the driver with the current version of APS
>PowerTools, v6.1. When that software is opened, it causes my machine to hang
>with a bomb message. So, I then started up from the PowerTools CD and tried
>to re-format the Quantum drive from there. The formatting process hung
>midway through, requiring a restart. After the restart, the disk does not
>mount and I can't do anything with it from PowerTools v6.1 (booting off CD)
>or PowerTools 4.1. The drive warranty expired about this time.
>Grrr...
>
>The good news is that the computer is now running fine on the OEM 2Gb drive.
>But I need more storage and a USB connection for my new digital
>camera!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan
I haven't had any direct experience with the loading of MacOS 9 on a UMAX, but this info should help...
First, instead of PowerTools, get FWB's Hard Drive Toolkit 4.0. Run, don't walk....
About 5 years ago, I used to swear AT HDT because of many problems that I had with it, but now, I swear BY it. It's performance is great, and you can tweak alot of options. It is also stable, and updates for OS releases come in a timely fashion.Next, startup from the MacOS 9 CD and launch the installer. On the screen after you Agree to the software license, you will find an "Options" button. Select that and then uncheck the box to have Apple update the Hard Drive Drivers.
Then, you should be able to install as desired. If it locks up on you during a newly reformatted (with HDT) drive, then the two things that you want to look at are the drive itself and possibly the memory installed.
Hope that this helps...
Bill Waits
Graphics IT Admin
Year One, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:56:22 -0500
From: "Nick Pisarro"
To: [email protected]
Subject: Dollars and $ense patch
>I have used an application "Dollars and Sense" for budget keeping for
>the pat 8 years. The application maker is out of business. The
>application is not y2k compatible. Is there anyone out there who has
>written a patch to make this application compatible?
>
>Thanks
>
>Gene Huebner
In searching the web for Dollars and $ense your message came up.
Yes! If you are still interested, it is a little late, I have devised a
Y2K updater for Dollars and Sense 5.0 that makes the program good until
2060 or so.
Send me a reply and I will send it to you.
Nick Pisarro, Jr.
Aperture Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:47:09 -0500
From: "Joni Hope"
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ethernet question
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:10:11 -0500
> Iám having a strange problem with my home ethernet
(appletalk) network. I
> have 4 Macs and one printer on this network and shared
internet access
> with a cable modem. The modem is attached to an Xrouter
Pro
> (router/switch) and 3 Macs connect directly to this
router/switch. The
> Xrouter uplinks to a 10T ethernet hub which has connected
to it the
> printer and the 4th Mac. This all works wonderfully.
>
> I added another ethernet module (wall outlet, RJ45 plug)
to plug into the
> 10T hub, and it wonát work! Iáve checked the cable, itás
fine. If I run
> that new line to the Xrouter rather than the hub, itás
fine but if I plug
> it into the hub, no go!! I canát figure this out. The new
line is a
> lengthy run, but well below the 100 meter ethernet limit.
Do I need to go
> buy another switch and dump the hub? What is happening
here?
>
> PS-if this helps, I MUST uplink from the Xrouter to the
hub (using one
> port as a crossover) for if I try to uplink from the hub
to the Xrouter
> (other direction) it doesnát work.
Hi Scott,
I think the problem (since it works directly, but not via
the hub) is probably with crossover/standard cabling.
First, be sure you are not using the uplink port on the hub
(usually the last one or two ports). I just pulled that
swiftie myself by not looking where I was plugging in. Have
you read the website Three Macs and a Printer? Look at
for the difference between
crossover and non-crossover cables. (You could also by a
crossover adapter that switches the receive and transmit
pairs and see if that makes it work with the hub!)
If it isn't a crossover wiring issue then I wonder if
somehow you are running into the problem that
autonegotiation is slightly broken (a 10/100 Ethernet card,
by ANY manufacturer, may not be able to negotiate either
speed unless it is FORCED to one speed, which varies by card
and OS).
This is an overview of what I think are the most likely
problems. Hope this helps!
- Joni
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:20:22 -0500
From: "Wayne L. Jennings"
To: [email protected]
Subject: Finance & Checkbook Program
I have been using MacMoney for this purpose since my MacPlus in 1985.
The latest version works with MacOS 9. I don't know about MacOS 9.1 or
MacOS X classic environment. Check it out, http://www.survivor.com . (I
am not connected with Survivor Software, just a very satisfied customer.)
As a side note, Check out the John de Lancie interview on MacCentral, 'A
conversation with John de Lancie, Star Trek's "Q" '. If the ultimate
super-being from the Q Continuum used MacMoney, well... .
http://www.maccentral.com/news/9912/21.qtalk.shtml
Wayne L. Jennings
[email protected]
>Ted Logan said:
>
>>I have resolved to use my computer to better control my finances in
>>2001 but the reviews on Microsoft Money 2001 and Quicken 2001 are
>>pretty discouraging.
>>
>>All I really need to do is balance my checkbook and allocate my
>>expenses. No "financial planning" or stocks and bonds stuff or
>>online banking. Just plain old green eyeshade bookkeeping with the
>>credits toward the window and the debits toward the door (or is it
>>the other way around?).
>>
> >Any shareware (or better commercial software) suggestions, please?
>
--
**********************************************************************
Jim Hays [email protected]
3381 W. Foxes Den Drive (520) 903-1634
Tucson AZ 85745
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 01 12:19:20 -0800
From: Mike Farmer/SSL
To: "Wayne L Jennings"
Subject: Finance & Checkbook Program
Wayne --
Thank you for the good words. Yes, MacMoney 4.02.11 and MacMoney 3.55.02
both work with OS 9.0.4. I have tested them with the last 'final
candidate' beta of 9.1 and they appear to work as well. Both versions
will run in the 'Classic' environment of OS X (and do so in the beta OS
X).
Mike ...
Survivor Software Ltd.
http://www.survivor.com/
On 1/12/01 3:20 AM Wayne L. Jennings has the following interesting info
to share
>I have been using MacMoney for this purpose since my MacPlus in 1985.
>The latest version works with MacOS 9. I don't know about MacOS 9.1 or
>MacOS X classic environment. Check it out, http://www.survivor.com . (I
>am not connected with Survivor Software, just a very satisfied customer.)
>
>As a side note, Check out the John de Lancie interview on MacCentral, 'A
>conversation with John de Lancie, Star Trek's "Q" '. If the ultimate
>super-being from the Q Continuum used MacMoney, well... .
>
>http://www.maccentral.com/news/9912/21.qtalk.shtml
>
>Wayne L. Jennings
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Ted Logan said:
>>
>>>I have resolved to use my computer to better control my finances in
>>>2001 but the reviews on Microsoft Money 2001 and Quicken 2001 are
>>>pretty discouraging.
>>>
>>>All I really need to do is balance my checkbook and allocate my
>>>expenses. No "financial planning" or stocks and bonds stuff or
>>>online banking. Just plain old green eyeshade bookkeeping with the
>>>credits toward the window and the debits toward the door (or is it
>>>the other way around?).
>>>
>> >Any shareware (or better commercial software) suggestions, please?
>>
>--
>**********************************************************************
>Jim Hays
>[email protected]
>3381 W. Foxes Den Drive (520) 903-1634
>Tucson AZ 85745
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:46:55 -0700
From: Ted Logan
To: John Torrence
Subject: Fwd: Quicken Deluxe 2001
John:
I just installed Quicken Deluxe 2001 on my G3/266 with 96MB RAM
running OS 9.0.4 and have no problem accessing the Insights module.
Maybe reinstalling will fix it?
Ted Logan
Logan Writing, Inc.
Lake Havasu City, Arizona
[email protected]
>Gentlemen:
>
>Any chance of getting a response to the e-mail below?
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Torrence
>
>>Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 06:50:28 -0500
>>To: [email protected]
>>From: John Torrence
>>Subject: Quicken Deluxe 2001
>>Cc:
>>Bcc:
>>X-Attachments:
>>
>>
>>Gentlemen:
>>
>>Since receiving Quicken 2001, every time I attempt to open
>>"Insights" from the "Activities" menu, my computer freezes and I
>>have to force a restart. I am not having any other problem with the
>>program. I have a G3 233MZ Desktop with 128MB of RAM. I have tried
>>increasing the amount of memory assigned to Quicken, but that had no
>>effect on the problem.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>John Torrence
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:00:54 -0800
From: Denny Davis
To: Ted Logan , Info-Mac
Subject: green eyeshade bookkeeping
Ted Logan said:
>I have resolved to use my computer to better control my finances in
>2001 but the reviews on Microsoft Money 2001 and Quicken 2001 are
>pretty discouraging.
>
>All I really need to do is balance my checkbook and allocate my
>expenses. No "financial planning" or stocks and bonds stuff or
>online banking. Just plain old green eyeshade bookkeeping with the
>credits toward the window and the debits toward the door (or is it
>the other way around?).
>
> Any shareware (or better commercial software) suggestions, please?
Several Shareware applcations: QuickFinance [Archived as
/info-mac/app/bus/quick-finance.hqx], Finance 2.8
[email protected], Financial Assistant 3.01e
, EasyAccountü v2.5
, Debt Wizard v2.4.4 Professional
, and WhereDidAllMyMoneyGo? 1.05
.
Some of these might have newer versions out. They are all shareware and
worth checking out. Web URLs or search the net and Info-mac for those
names.
>
Curiosity killed the cat,
but satisfaction brought it back.
ICQ#5066430
Blessings, Denny
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:16:42 +1100
From: Glen Hawkins
To: [email protected]
Subject: Info-Mac digest and Eudora
Hi there,
Something that annoys me and I cannot work out why it is happening.
Info-mac digest comes to me in a contents page and then an attached
eudora file that I can open up like any normal e-mail file with the
actual messages listed. But after this has happened I see that Eudora
then has placed a new mailbox entry into my menu bar of the issue of
info-mac digest. It is the only program that does this and it stuffs
up my mailboxes regularly. Can I get a rid of the mode that is doing
this?
Cheers Glen
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:14:42 -0600
From: Roland & Jodi Emond
To: [email protected]
Subject: Information Transfer
I have been using a Power Mac 7200/90; and recently purchased an Imac
DVD SE (500 MHz). Is there a way I can connect the two via a network
cable to transfer about three years worth of infomation without going
through the trouble of downloading everything on a Zip drive.
Thank you for your help.
Roland Emond
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:53:37 -0800
From: Denny Davis
To: Ezra Nathan , Info-Mac digest
Subject: Internet config. and boot up cd
At 10:28 +0000 1/7/01, Ezra Nathan wittily wrote:
>Hello>
>
>Two questions please:
>1./ Is it necessary to keep Internet configure if one is running Mac OS9?
>Does Internet set-up do the same thing as Internet configure?
>
They do the same thing, so just use one or the other depending on which
you like best.
>
Curiosity killed the cat,
but satisfaction brought it back.
ICQ#5066430
Blessings, Denny
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:31:00 +0100
From: Christian F Buser
To: George Gilbert
Subject: Mac: CD Labeling Software Compatible with Mac G4-OS9
Hello George,
>I have a Word 98 template if you're interested. I use the mail merge
>feature to create the labels for printing. Each text block is
>positioned via Word's Frame capabilities; I think I recall that in page
>view you can drag the positions to change them, e.g., for different
>brands of labels which place the printable area differently.
Would it be possible that you submit your template to the info-mac
file archives? This would make it unnecessary that everyone asks you
personally and you save yourself some work.
Best wishes, Christian.
--
Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
Look at
Korruption ist die Autobahn neben dem Dienstweg (H. Nahr).
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:24:08 +0000
From: Tina
To: [email protected]
Subject: ODBC Database Needed?!!
I am looking to use a database on my web site at some time in the future
for an online shop-style site. My new host supports databases and
says I need one that supports
ODBC - I have no idea at all what that means!!! Can anyone help or
recommend a database
that will do the job? I need it for stock control, pricing etc
Thanks!
Tina
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:19:28 +0100
From: Jean-Philippe Pellet
To: Info-Mac Digest
Subject: RAM Disk Startup?
Hello,
I have a PowerBook G3/400 (the SCSI model) with 192 MB RAM. Recently a few
tests with a RAM disk to see how fast it fast it was, and I must say it is
really amazing! Then I tried copying a system folder onto the RAM disk, but
unfortunately I wasn't able to select it as startup disk in the control
panel. Any ideas? Am I missing something? I'm running OS 9.1.
TIA,
JPP
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:48:44 -0800
From: Andrew Merenbach
To:
Subject: Repeat: Anybody heard of these games?
I submitted a query a week or two ago, but suddenly the digest stopped
coming, and I didn't see my query in it the next time it came out.
First game: Like Tetris; changes include that blocks fall in groups of four
in either square or line fashion; colors are red and blue (that's the
default, at least); and to remove a row, one must get at least four blocks
into either a straight line or a square. (So, two blocks over two blocks
scores, as does a straight line of them.)
The other game was a "word-Tetris" where one removed lines of blocks,
diagonal or vertical, by forming words. Blocks fell individually, and each
contained a letter. The dictionary could be edited, too. (This game was on
the Macintosh Demo Games CD that came with my Performa 600 long, long ago.)
Thanks in advance,
Andrew Merenbach
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