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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 25 Mar 91 Volume 9 : Issue 73
Today's Topics:
"Print Report" in Supercard
A Mac+ problem...
Apple Personal LaserWriter NT
Bilingual dictionaries?
CD ROM woes
Cleaning mice & keyboards
Copyright and look and feel
Copyrights, Appology, & Intelectual Propty
Exchanging word processing formats?
Flight simulator help requested
Help
Hypercard get the clickchunk
Mac+ problems continued...
Mac-based BBi software
Mac Backgammon?
Mac IIsi or Mac IIci?
Mac portables (clones) ?
MacX font
Modem cable
Need a pc board design program
Sesame C from the archives.
Ssytem 7.o and virtual memory
Sun Monitor for Mac
Transporting Mac to Eastern Europe?
TrueType(tm) font availability
TrueType Observations and Queries
White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69)
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 91 20:42:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Capouch
Subject: "Print Report" in Supercard
I wonder if anyone out there could help me, but I worry some because I
recall seeing this selfsame question, except pertaining to Hypercard,
posted a few weeks ago, and it went without answer.
Our "revved-up" Supercard 1.5 no longer has the "print report" menu
item, and it is something we badly need to complete a project we're
undertaking.
Does anyone out there know how we might regain its functionality? The
folks at Silicon Beach suggested just copying the "Print" project from
the old version, and upgrading it, but it seems there are a lot of
incompatibilities that cause it to repeatedly go into script errors.
Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
Brian Capouch, Saint Joseph's College
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 20:24:49 EST
From: Dieder Bylsma
Subject: A Mac+ problem...
Okay, I need some advice...
How on earth do I tell if my Mac+ powersupply is going on the blitz with me?
How do I differentiate that from any noise or powersurge that is occuring
on the lines? My screen is playing really neat tricks on me...mainly
surging and shrinking by a milimeter or so on each side. Not amusing...
I'm stuck for a solution, so if someone could tell me what the daylights
is going on here, I'd be much obliged. Please e-mail me directly.
If you know a possible solution please mail me, don't say that someone else
will, because that may well not be the case. Thanks,
Desperately,
Dieder Bylsma
Surging, shrinking, warping...whatever you call it, this screen ain't constant.
in width, seems to be jittery, like I am I suppose. But it ain't my
nerves. That I know for sure.
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 12:16:09 CST
From: Marshall Carroll
Subject: Apple Personal LaserWriter NT
Hi. Could someone give a complete description of the SIMM's used for
the RAM in an Apple Personal LaserWriter NT? (number of pins,
low or high profile, clock speed, surface mount, static or dynamic,
etc.). Thanks, Marsh
p.s. Could someone do the same thing for those used to upgrade the
RAM memory in a IIsi?
Internet: [email protected]
BITNET: NU163467@NDSUVM1
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 12:45 PST
From: Fred Condo
Subject: Bilingual dictionaries?
Does anyone know of bilingual dictionaries for the Mac? On CD-ROM, perhaps?
I am particularly interested in having online French-English and German-
English dictionaries, although a French-German dictionary would be useful,
too. It would be particularly useful if these contained technical terms relating
to psychology and information systems. If any of our readers in Europe are
reading this, please let me know if anything of this sort is available there.
Barring machine-readable things of this nature, I would be interested in a
technical/scientific dictionary for French.
Also, does anyone know of a good thesaurus program? The commonly available
ones have their vocabulary limited to that of commerce and business. I am
interested in literary and technical thesauruses.
Please reply directly to [email protected] or clargrad.claremont.edu
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 12:13 PST
From: Fred Condo
Subject: CD ROM woes
Several people have written to me about my Apple CDSC drive that would inter-
mittently forget how to mount a disc. All but one suggested that the fan had
sucked dust into the case, soiling the lens. I neglected to mention that mine
is one of the newer drives that has had the fan omitted, so this could not be
the case.
One person experiencing the same problem solved it by changing the SCSI ID
of the CD drive, even though there was no ID conflict. I tried this, changing
the ID from 3 to 6, and it seems to have worked. This is obviously some subtle
magic not within the official description of SCSI workings, but it does seem
to have worked.
My thanks to all who took the time to reply.
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 18:40:33 EST
From: jbotz%[email protected]
Subject: Cleaning mice & keyboards
I'm trying to find an efficient method for cleaning mice in a lab
environment. A long time ago I saw some mouse cleaning kits which
consisted of a fuzzy ball which one soaked in cleaning fluid and
then inserted into the mouse and rolled around. How well does this
work and where can one get such a nowadays? I haven't seen them
in years.
What do people do to clean their keyboards? When I was a computer
technician, many years ago, a customer once brought in a keyboard
which they had tried to wash in the dishwasher... needless to say
that that's not the best approch... not even a single switch was
salvageabl!
All information, inspiration, and speculation is greatly appreciated.
Thanx in advance, Jurgen.
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 12:01:05 GMT
From: Michael Everson
Subject: Copyright and look and feel
Jorge Luis Borges once wrote a short story in which an author set out to
rewrite Cervantes' Don Quixote--without having read the original. And
he set out to recreate it in Cervantes' medieval dialect of Spanish!
It's a great story, whose exact title I forget (but it's obvious and
has DQ in the title); refreshing look at the problems some of these
would-be Apple Frankensteins are having.....
Michael
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Date: 22 Mar 91 18:17:37 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gary Greene)
Subject: Copyrights, Appology, & Intelectual Propty
Gee! What's all this sticky stuff running down my face ...tastes
a bit like raw egg. Well it seems I may have stepped into some
of the deep stuff with this copyright business and I appologize
to the net and to Knut for any misstatements I may have made.
I received several comments to the effect that it is not the idea
which can be copyrighted, but its concrete expression. My thanks
particularly to Dr. Marvin Bensman, J.D., Ph.D. at MIT for making
some clarifying remarks, and the kind manner in which he made
them. I am NOT a lawyer nor was I making ANY pretension to give
LEGAL advice. I am a graphic artist, so perhaps the law applies
differently to me then it does to the rest of you ...or perhaps
I am even more confused than it seems.
This is how it applies in my field: if I draw a cartoon character,
no matter what position I put them in, or what I do with them, and
that character is recognizably Bugs Bunny, whether I call him that
or not, Warner Brother's legal department will have me for breakfast
if I offer this character in some commercial enterprise, like a sign
or a silkscreen for a tee-shirt. This has happened in several
specific cases I know of. The character, not just the lines or the
representation is copyrighted. This is a case where an "idea", in
the everyday sense at least, is copyrighted. The category of a
cartoon rabbit cannot be copyrighted, but the implementation that
Warner Brothers came up with most definately is. Additionally,
if Warner Brothers does not protect their copyright when it is
infringed they will lose it to the public domain. By the same token
I may not write a book using the characters Tom Clancy invented in
The Hunt for Red October. In order to compete with Tom or Warner
my efforts must be substantialy different in order to be legal.
What Knut asked was "Would writing shareware based completely on a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
on a commercial idea (be legal) ...(e)ven if the shareware author
is in a different country than the original company, calls it some-
thing else, and makes menu's, windows, graphics, source code, etc.,
all his own?" Adobe Illustrator and Aldus Freehand are substantially
similar programs, but neither is based completely on the other.
I strongly suspect that Adobe would have sued if Altsys (the developer)
had based Freehand completely on Illustrator. I think that Knut is
opening himself up to some substantial risk UNLESS he makes sufficient
changes in his implementation that the two are only similar. I would
also point out in my own defense, that as Knut uses the term "idea",
that I took him to mean the everyday conversational sense of the word,
and not the legal meaning.
Sincerly,
Gary Greene
Unisys/Convergent Technology
San Jose, California [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 10:20 EST
From: "I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind, got my paper and I was free..."
Subject: Exchanging word processing formats?
I'm looking for software that transfers documents from one word processing
format to another. I work in a lab that runs only Word 4.0; people come in
with documents created by all kinds of other word processors and want to print
them on our printer. Word can read all the other documents, but with some of
them it can only read the document as text -- all formatting is lost. This
isn't a big deal until somebody comes in with a resume or something that's very
format-intensive.
For our PCs, we have Word Exchange, which transfers documents from one word
processing format to another and retains the formatting. Does anyone know of
any software such as this for the Mac? Please reply to me, and if there's
enough interest, I'll summarize to the net.
Thanks!
Ashley Hill, Haverford College [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:04 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Flight simulator help requested
>From Barry G. Hall
Reply to DRBH@UORDBV
Does anyone know a way to use Flight Simulator (1.01 or 1.02) from a hard drive
and under any system other than the one one the original disk? As far as I can tell
the only way to copy the program is with its own backup program, which makes
only a single backup, or by using CopyII Mac which makes a faithful 400K disk
copy.
In either case the program only runs when the fltSim disk is the boot disk and
the system 4.1 is unmodified.
There is not room on the disk to install the driver for the Gravis MouseStick,
a joy stick that would give considerablly more control than doews the mouse.
I would like to run Flight Simulator from my hard drive using system 6.03, to
be able to use the Mouse Stick, and to be able to use the large screen I got for my
SE. It's init requires system 6.01.
Any ideas? Please reply to me directly at DRBH@UORDBV.
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 14:42:48 CST
From: Robert Blystone
Subject: Help
Help: At times the adminstration of my institution perfers to listen
to persons from off campus. "you can't be a profit in your own land."
Our school is about to equip a media lecture room with a video
projector, CD-ROM player, LCD overhead, and a laser disk. They intend
to interface with a 2-si. Several of us have strongly suggested that
the CPU be a 2-ci. I would appreciate any words from as many people
as possible as to why the 2-ci would be a better choice. Thanks and
appreciation for any replies. Robert Blystone Trinity University
RBLYSTON@TRINITY
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 91 19:22:00 +0100
From: GAUTHIER%[email protected]
Subject: Hypercard get the clickchunk
According to hypertalkreference the value returned by get the clickchunk
should be word posinteger of cd(bg) field posinteger
in fact it seems unless i am mistaken that it always returns
char posinteger to char posinteger of ........
What is going on?
how can I know the position of a word in a field?
Any help appreciated?
Robert Gauthier
SCiences du Langage
Univ. Toulouse-le Mirail`
France
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 20:51:29 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Mac+ problems continued...
After phoning the power company, it would seem that the problems do reside
within my Mac+. I remember that a number of people mentioned a book
that instructs one on how to repair various common problems of a Mac.
I also remember that the Mac+ has an infamous powersupply. But does this
mean that this mac I'm using, made in 1988 has an unreliable power supply?
I've been using it for ages and this has never happened. The screen itself
seems to be fine, as is the crispness of display and the level of focus.
So, what now?
Still rather desperate,
Dieder Bylsma
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 14:07:06 -0500
From: David M. Gursky
Subject: Mac-based BBi software
I am interested in setting up a bulletin board on a Macintosh. I know of four
applications to let me do this: Second Sight, Mansion, WWIV and Hermes. Are
there other Mac-based BBS applications out there and what are people's opinions
on these pieces of software.
[Yes, the BBS must be on the Mac. Comments about PC-based software are of no
value in this case.]
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 14:23 EST
From: AMINZADE%[email protected]
Subject: Mac Backgammon?
Enough work for a while. I'm wondering about games. Has anybody
seen a Mac Backgammon game. DA or application would be OK. Shareware
or cheap commercial OK too. Preferably one that a single user could
compete with the computer.
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 12:25:49 CST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Mac IIsi or Mac IIci?
Hi all,
this is a very simple question: I need to buy a mac II system,
the question is: which one Mac IIsi or ci? My sister and I are
studing engeneering ( chemistry and electronic ). According with
your experiences could some one of you solve this doubt?
Please reply directely to me.
Thank you Fabio
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:02 EDT
From: (Peter Jorgensen)
Subject: Mac portables (clones) ?
Greetings,
We have a professor here who wants to buy a laptop Mac for use in Europe next
year. He doesn't want to spend what it would take to buy the Apple Mac
portable. I know some new models from Apple are in the works, but what
experience do you have with the alternatives that are available now? How about
the Outbound, Colby, etc.?
Thanks in advance - Peter Jorgensen - [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:34:09 EST
From: xing%[email protected] (Xing Li)
Subject: MacX font
Greetings,
I have installed MacX 1.1 in a Mac Plus [the most powerful
Mac in our lab (-: ], it works great. The speed is better than I
thought, even the communication is performed through a local_talk
network.
The only thing I cannot figure out is the font structure.
I would like to install more fonts into the MacX, especially the
2 byte fonts (i.e. Chinese). Could anyone help me? Thanks in
advance.
Xing (xing\@cbis.ece.drexel.edu)
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 11:32:22 CST
From: Steve Schaffer
Subject: Modem cable
I have an old Apple 1200 baud modem which I'd like to hook up to my SE/30.
I was planning to make a cable and already have the parts, but there are
a couple of pins on the Mac's serial port that the modem does not have.
TheMac has positive & negative Tx and Rx data pins but the modem has Tx,
Rx, and a signal ground. Can I wire both Tx- and Rx- from the Mac to the
modem's common ground or is there something different I must do?
Steve Schaffer
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 11:59 EDT
From: (Peter Jorgensen)
Subject: Need a pc board design program
Greetings,
We have a student in the computer music program who needs a circuit board
design program to help him with one of his hardware projects.
If you have a suggestion, or advice on one to stay away from, please reply
directly to me. I'll post a summary.
Thanks - Peter Jorgensen - [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 15:35:03 -0600
From: Douglas Renze
Subject: Sesame C from the archives.
Has anybody tried "Sesame C" from the archives [it's in info-mac/lang]? If you
have, would you please contact me, or if any of the authors read this list,
would you please contact me? I have some questions about it for any know-
ledgable people.
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1991 13:49 EST
From: MacPhreak!
Subject: Ssytem 7.o and virtual memory
Hello,
I have a burnung question that I hope someone could answer it. As usual mail to
me and I will summarize to the net.
I read somewhere that the virtual memory feature in System 7.0 will only work
on hard disks that have been initialized with the "Apple HD SC Setup". Is this
true? The reason why I ask is that I just bought a Quantum 105 Mb hard disk to
put on my new IIci. I just installed the drive and tried to format it with the
apple "Apple HD SC Setup" utility and it would not recognize the drive.
I was then forced to format it with the software that came with it. If what
I read is true, then I would really want to format my disk with the Apple
utility. Is there a way around this? Or is Apple screwing the people that
bought HD's from third party vendors?
Juan Pons
INTERNET [email protected] BITNET JPons@ClarkU AOL MacPhreak
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1991 22:14:14 +0100
From: Joshua Lieberman
Subject: Sun Monitor for Mac
For those following up my question of Mac video cards to run Sun monitors, I received this
>From Michael Ngo by way of Paul Woodman:
Date: 25 Feb 91 19:01:03 GMT
>From: [email protected] (Michael Ngo)
Subject: Sun 3/50 monitor Mac 2-page Display
X-Art: Usenet #24
I posted an inquiry a while back regarding the use of Sun 3/50 monitor as
a dual page display for Macintosh machine. Since then, I received a lot of
mails from people who are looking for the same thing. Thus, I'm posting my
finding back on the network to let them know, rather than responding to
each and every one.
Mr. Johnson (@ Sun Microsystem), was kindly enough to point me to the
right source. The company name is Lapis Technology located in Alameda, CA.
They make nubus board call the Display Server which allows you to use a
wide variety of monitor types with the Macintosh, including the Sun
monitor.
Follow is an summary of Display Server Product spec sheet:
o Features:
Supports PC, Apple, and many other monitors, including full
page displays, dual page displays and overhead projection.
Field programmable LCA configures during start-up
Dual screen software allows internal monitor to be used together
with the external monitor.
o Current Supported Monitors
CLAS RESOLUTION HORZ RATE VERT RATE
------------- ---------- --------- ---------
Mono TTL 528x350 18.4 KHz 50 Hz
Apple 12" Mono 640x480 35.0 KHz 65 Hz
Apple 13" RGB 640x480 35.0 KHz 65 Hz
Apple portrait 640x872 68.85 KHz 75 Hz
Apple dual pg 1152x872 68.5 KHz 75 Hz
Dual Page 1152x872 63.2 KHz 75.7 Hz
Dual Page 1024x872 64.7 KHz 78 Hz
Sun ==> Dual Page 1152x910 62.5 KHz 66.7 Hz
Full Page 640x872 62.75 KHz 68 Hz
Multi Sync 640x480 30.0 KHz 60 Hz
VGA 640x480 31.5 KHz 60 Hz
LCD Pannel 640x320 31.5 KHz 60 Hz
LCD Pannel 640x350 21.5 KHz 60 Hz
Their sale representative is Susan Tussy and her number is (415) 748-1612.
I just ordered the SE Display Server model SE-DPD and should be receiving it
within a few days.
Good Luck,
Mike N.
Has anyone experience with this video card to report? If and when I manage to spirit one
across the seas, I'll pass on further information.
>>Joshua Lieberman MPI-Uni Bern Switzerland
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 91 01:32:27 GMT
From: [email protected] (Lynn Gale)
Subject: Transporting Mac to Eastern Europe?
A visiting Czech professor would like to purchase a Macintosh in
California and transport it home when he leaves at the end of the
year. What questions should we be asking about this process?
He is considering buying an SE/30. Is it likely the SE/30 could be
carried aboard the passenger compartment of a plane? If not, or if he
opts for a bigger machine, is it safe to send through baggage when
packed in its original shipping carton? Or is there an alternative
way one might ship it to Czechoslovakia?
The voltage and frequency specs seem to be compatible with what is
required.
What about servicing, or buying peripherals (e.g., modem, printer,
video card and monitor) and software in Czechoslovakia or a
neighboring country? Has Apple made a market in Europe or is he going
to be stranded in a sea of IBM compatibles?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions and help!
[email protected] -or- lynn%[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 21:31:48 -0500
From: [email protected] (Bruce Abernethy)
Subject: TrueType(tm) font availability
I have been experimenting with TrueType for a few days now and I really do like
it. I have ATM 2.0 and TT is faster and works better with the interface (i.e.
the font sizes in the correct menus, FontDA mover 4.1 does away with the
need to have external printer fonts, courier looks much better, and the speed
is very quick). But, are there any 3rd party fonts out there to fill out the
standard LaserWriter II font families (Palitino, Bookman, the Zaphs, Symbol, as
well as the italic and bold italic of these families)? If these were available
at a reasonable cost the switch from ATM to TT would be natural and easy for
me to accomplish. However, if I cannot find these fonts I will just keep ATM
around for a little longer (they both work together really nicely, if there is
a font that the two have in common TrueType wins hands-down.)
Bruce Abernethy
[email protected]
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 91 23:26:28 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: TrueType Observations and Queries
I experimented with the TrueType software under System 6.0.7 today
and discovered a couple of interesting things.
The fonts included on the distribution at apple.com are Symbol,
Courier and Courier Bold, Helvetica and Helvetica Bold, and Times in
normal, bold, italic, and bold italic.
I wonder if italic and bold italic versions of Courier and Helvetica
are available without resorting to converting ATM fonts to TrueType.
I also wonder about getting the rest of the LaserWriter Plus family
of fonts. It would be nice if we get these without paying an
outrageous price like Adobe charges.
Some quick tests on a Mac IIci indicated that TrueType is slightly
faster than ATM at generating new font sizes on screen. The
TrueType fonts looked very similar, but I think they were slightly
better looking (I compared 16 point Times).
TrueType does not show up in the Control Panel, so there seems to be
no configuration options (like ATM's cache size adjustment) and no
way to turn it off except rebooting with it out of the System Folder
or turned off via an init manager. Is there something hidden that
I've missed?
The Readme file says that you must use Installer to install the new
printer drivers and fonts, but does not say why. I found that
installing a printer driver via Installer is the same as dragging it
into the System Folder (ie. the System File was not modified). It
also seemed that Installing the TrueType fonts is the same as
copying them to the System File with Font/DA mover 4.1. However, I
got 95 bytes more in my System File using Installer than using
Font/DA Mover 4.1. I could not figure out where the difference is.
Anybody know?
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 12:36:41 EST
From: [email protected] (Bruce Barnett)
Subject: White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69)
> From: "Glenn Fleishman"
> Subject: Re: White Knight 11.10 (Info-Mac Digest V9 #69)
>I would like to send some mail to Scott Watson, programmer of Red Ryder . . .
>White Knight 11.x. His only e-mail address listed is on the GEnie system. Does
>anyone know an internet address for him or the internet formula to send to
>GEnie?
There is no internet gateway to GEnie. GEnie does not support external
mail addresses. It is a closed system.
Bruce Barnett
Domain administrator for GE.COM.
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 91 14:51:03 EST
From: [email protected] (Dominique Landry)
Hello Think C programmers:
I'd like to know the most efficient method of writing a
program in Think C that will recognize wheter or not
a given Macintosh has a Math co-processor; something
similar to EXCEL(R) where if it finds that a
math co-processor exists then it will use it, otherwise
it will carry on just as none was found.
I will provide a summary of the responses ...
Thank you.
Dominique
Internet: [email protected]
CompuServe: 71161,1044
Bus. Phone: (613)992-3391
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