Info-Mac Digest V14 #108
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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 6 May 96 Volume 14 : Issue 108
Today's Topics:
(A) IceTee
(A2) Mac as internet sever (A)
(A?) QuickMail -> Eudora
(Q) 7.5.3 and PowerCD
(Q) Graphics pasted to Word or Frame deadjusted
[A] Quark Query
Aaron or Aaron's BeBox under System 7.5.3
Automated Mac Restart
ClarisWorks updates...
Erased SyQuest 88MB cartridge
Hebrew fonts
IBM fromated disks (3 msgs)
IBM to Mac ??
Imagewriter II...
Is there a Utility to make Mac windows look like XWindows?
Keyboard Menus
keystroke recorders
Laserwriter Bridge and Sleep mode
Need DOS 'DWG' to 'DXF' file Convertor
QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
Sys 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler Crashes
update
User unknown
Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac? (2 msgs)
Zip vs. EZ (2 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:51:39 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A) IceTee
At 9:17 PM +0100 4/24/96, Bill Ingraham wrote:
>I was referred to a program called Icetee but I can't find it anywhere. Any
>one?
It's part of Internet Config. Use the following URL to grab it:
http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperAr ... t-config-1
2.hqx
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:30:28 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A2) Mac as internet sever (A)
At 12:46 PM -0400 4/24/96, Peter Jorgensen wrote:
>There is a very active list called Apple-Internet-Providers which discusses
>the issues of providing internet services using Apple products. In short, you
>can now provide every internet service, including usenet news and DNS with
>the Mac OS.
In case you're interested, the address is:
[email protected]
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:27:31 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A?) QuickMail -> Eudora
At 11:29 AM +1100 4/26/96, Ben Warner wrote:
>We are running a network of macs in the office, which are all running =
>QuickMail. We are seriously considering converting to Eudora.
>The big problem here is retaining all our important filed mail in the =
>switch. Idealy, we are looking for a utility that converts QuickMail =
>files to Eudora files, but I believe there has been some difficulties in =
>decifering the QuickMail file format.
>Any one know any more on this?
>Appreciate any info.
Probably not what you want, but you can highlight messages and click on the
Save button to save as a text file. Then you can read them into Eudora.
You can highlight multiple messages and save them, but it gives them a
generic name ("Saved Mail"). If you have a mail folder, you can highlight
the messages in the folder, save, and name them after the folder. One
problem is that Eudora cannot handle messages over 32K (well, actually
Eudora 3, which is in beta right now and should be in production in July,
*DOES* handle >32K messages; unfortunately, it's only being released for
the Mac right now--no indication for a Windows release).
There's also a utility called AB Converter (or something like that; I did
this conversion close to 2 years ago), which can convert QM Address Books
into text files. I wrote a little FoxPro program to convert these
tab-delimited text files into a format that Eudora could utilize. I don't
have it any more--it was for a previous job.
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:18 +0100
From: Bob Kenyon
Subject: (Q) 7.5.3 and PowerCD
Dear net,
I have a PowerCD CDROM drive attached to my Mac IIcx. As I have
migrated through various flavours of system 7, 7.1, 7.5, I have always
needed to re-install the "Power CD Audio" desk accessory (or whatever
they call them nowadays) and the "Power CD Extension" to replace the
mainstream CDROM stuff from the system installers.
These files have version 1.0.1 and date August 25th 1993.
Does anyone know whether 7.5.3 breaks these files, or alternatively,
if there are newer versions of them?
regards,
Bob
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:48:53 +0000
From: [email protected] (Jens Eickhoff)
Subject: (Q) Graphics pasted to Word or Frame deadjusted
I have some curve plots (PICT) generated with MathPad 2.4 which look fine
when copied from MathPad to ClarisDraw and which then are printed from
ClarisDraw. I want to include them in a technical note generated with Word
5.1 or Word 6.0.1 but have problems in printing them as soon as they are
copied to Word.
I can copy them from ClarisDraw to Word and on screen everything still
looks fine, but when printing them, all PICT items get deadjusted (line
segments of the plot are no longer in line with each other). The whole
scenery just looks as if the coordinate information of the line start and
end coordinates had been decreased in resolution.
The same problem occurs when posting these graphics to FrameMaker 4 or 5.0.1.
Can anyone please tell me the technical reasons and recipes to fix this
problem?
J. Eickhoff
Dr. Jens Eickhoff
Dept. RST 67 email: [email protected]
Dornier Satellitensysteme GmbH phone: (+49)(0) 7545 / 8-4178
D-88039 Friedrichshafen fax: (+49)(0) 7545 / 8-3210
Germany
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:47:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: [A] Quark Query
> Does anyone one know how to set a different default font in Quark
> Xpress? I know it must have something to do with the FDHL resources in
> the Xpress Preferences file, but I don't know how to make any other font
> stick.
With Quark open but no document active choose Edit>Style Sheets....
Select the style Normal and click on Edit, then on Character. Now choose
a font from the Font pop-down menu. Then click OK, click OK once more,
then click on Save. From now on the default font for new documents will
be the one you chose.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Art Werschulz
Subject: Aaron or Aaron's BeBox under System 7.5.3
Hi.
Having upgraded from 7.5.1 to 7.5.3, I have found that the Aaron and
Aaron's BeBox extensions freeze the screen. Does anybody have
versions of same that don't cause a screen freeze?
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:03:26 +0100
From: [email protected] (Karl Pottie)
Subject: Automated Mac Restart
>I need to restart a Mac unattended at the same time every night.
>
>There are several volumes mounted on this IIcx (8/40 running system 7.1)
>which acts as a Telefinder BBS. When one of the volumes "unexpectedly
>quits" it locks up the computer and Telefinder will not answer incoming
>calls. Restarting the computer allows Telefinder to reload and the crashed
>volume to remount.
Try a Keep It Up and/or AutoBoot:
ftp://ftp.hawaii.edu/mirrors/info-mac/c ... -up-13.hqx
ftp://ftp.hawaii.edu/mirrors/info-mac/c ... ot-145.hqx
--
Karl Pottie e-mail: [email protected]
phone (work) : ++32 16 267911
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Date: 7 May 1996 01:17:18 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rick Nible)
Subject: ClarisWorks updates...
Anyone know where I can get the CW update from CW 1.03 to CW 2.o or 3.0??
(Actually, I want to go from CW 1.03 to 4.0, but can't seem to
successfully import large DB files created in 1.03 to 4.0. I'm assuming
if I update them to 2.0 or 3.0 first I'll have more luck.)
Any other suggested workarounds would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 06 May 96 07:43:00 EST
From:
Subject: Erased SyQuest 88MB cartridge
Hi,
I have a Mac with a SyQuest 88MB drive. I had a cartridge that showed a
plain document icon. I tried to change it, pasting another one,
reformatting... nothing worked. So I erased the cartridge with a bulk
eraser. Big mistake. It seems that the cartridge lost some kind of
internal formatting (low level, I guess) and now it won't be recognized
by the drive. HELPY Is there available a low level formatter for SyQuest
88MB cartridges? My drive was "previously owned" by a Wintel user, so
I'm sure he won't have any special Mac-based utiliities to help me.
Thank you in advance for any info.
Jorge Irsay
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 07:25:02 -0400
From: Noam Kutler
Subject: Hebrew fonts
Does anybody know how to setup up Netscape 2.0 to view Hebrew web pages
and e-mail? I heard that the font Ariela works with Netscape but I
haven't been able to figure out how to get it to work yet. Also is there
a way to get the macintosh to let there be more than like 180 fonts or
something? I forget the exact number.
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 09:54:12 -0500
From: chaz
Subject: IBM fromated disks
>I was wondering if
>I could get a box of [IBM formated disks] and reformat them
Yes.
>would the system simply
>bring up an error message and say that the disk is unreadable and ask
>me to reinitialize
If you have PC Exchange [or something like it] installed, the disk will
mount just like a Mac floppy, and you can then select "Erase Disk",
choose "Macintosh 1.4 MB" from the format menu, and reformat.
If you don't have PC Exchange installed, then you'll get the standard
"Unreadable! Format?" dialog you expect.
>Does anyone here have any experience with this ?
I do this many times every day.
chazl
05.06.96
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Some voices got treble, some voices got bass; we got the kind of voices
that are in your face. - Beastie Boys, 'Rhymin' and Stealin''
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: IBM fromated disks
> Hello All ! Recently I have noticed that the computer store that I shop
> at has fewer and fewer non formatted disks and the other day they did
> not have any at all , but they have tons of IBM formated disks . I was
> wondering if I could get a box of those and reformat them , would the
> system simply bring up an error message and say that the disk is
> unreadable able and ask me to reinitialize or would it simply not read
> the disk at all and completely reject it ?
Depends on whether PC Exchange (or equivalent utility) is installed. If
no, then it will tell you it's not a Mac disk and will give you the
option to format it. If yes, it will be mounted as a PC disk and you can
reformat it using the Special>Erase ... command. If you need to format
more than one or two disks, use Norton's Floppier or DiskCharmer (from
info-mac) to expedite the procedure.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:44:31 -0500
From: "Wayne C. Morris"
Subject: IBM fromated disks
>Hello All ! Recently I have noticed that the computer store that I shop at
>has fewer and fewer non formatted disks and the other day they did not have
>any at all , but they have tons of IBM formated disks . I was wondering if
>I could get a box of those and reformat them
Yes, you can reformat them on your Mac.
Your Mac may be capable of reading & writing DOS diskettes. If so, then you=
won't get an error when you insert one, but you'll still want to reformat=
it for Mac-only use, using the Special - Erase Disk menu selection. It'll=
give you the option of reformatting it as a Mac or DOS diskette.
If your Mac doesn't recognize DOS diskettes, you'll just get an error and be=
asked whether you want to initialize the diskette.
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: IBM to Mac ??
> If I download a file (Mac Format) from Internet by using a PC ( IBM,
> Win95 ) Is there anyway that I can convert it to Mac Diskette and use
> for Mac ??
Yes. Download the file as Binhex or binary (not MacBinary). Put it on a
PC floppy, which can be read on the Mac if PC Exchange (a control panel,
part of the MacOS since 7.5) is installed. Then use StuffIt Expander
(free from info-mac) to decode and expand the file.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:27:58 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Imagewriter II...
>My company has recently purchased an Imagewriter II printer to hold
>our new 8.5x11 3 part forms which is hooked up to a computer that
>has a database on it with which we will be taking orders and then
>printing them. We are supposed to go online with this next week,
>however the forms are constantly binding and jamming and we are dead
>in the water.
>The extra ingredient in this stew is that on the top right of this
>form is a 4x4 label which we peel off later. The label is on top of
>the third layer, not a part of it, so it really is a fourth layer,
>but only on that small section of the form. We are pretty sure this
>label is causing the problems. If anyone out there has any ideas on
>how to make the IW II work with thse forms, or has a better printer
>for us to try, please let us know. We are really scrambling for
>ideas at this point.
>Thank you all for any help you can give.
>From pp. 48-49 of the Imagewriter II's Owner's Manual:
ADJUSTING FOR PAPER THICKNESS
To adjust for thicker paper, you need to set the *paper thickness lever*.
In its standard (up) position, the lever sets a thickness for one sheet
of paper (16- to 24-pound bond). The lever clicks through four
positions. You can change to the second position by pushing the lever
downward. The second position is for a two-sheet thickness. The next
position is for three sheets and the last for four.
_____________
WARNING
Never use a form, label, or envelope that is thicker than four sheets of
16-pound bond. Too much paper may cause lines to register incorrectly or
may jam the printer.
_____________
Follow these steps to set the lever.
1. To get at the lever, remove the front cover. The lever is at the
right end of the carrier rod.
2. Before setting the lever, count the sheets in an individual form.
For envelopes, try a two-sheet thickness, and for mailing labels, a
three-sheet thickness.
3. Click the lever to the appropriate setting.
4. After adjusting the paper thickness lever, replace the front cover.
If the cover is off or not properly seated, the Imagewriter II will not
print.
____________________________________________
I hope this solves your problem.
Pulin Kothari
San Antonio/Houston, TX
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:32:55 -0400
From: [email protected] (Michael Handel (157))
Subject: Is there a Utility to make Mac windows look like XWindows?
I'm looking for a utility that will mac the plain jane Mac window look
more like windows in the XWindow environment. That is, with 360 degree
resizeable borders, and a minimize/maximize button. Does such a thing
exist?
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:17:09 -0500
From: [email protected] (Cleve Posey)
Subject: Keyboard Menus
I am looking for an extension for System 7.5.3 that will allow the
user to operate the menus via the keyboard. I have tried 'Key Menu'
and 'Auto Menu', neither of which operate reliably with 7.5.3 . Any
help
would be greatly appreciated.
Cleve Posey
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 04:33:04 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: keystroke recorders
there used to be several utilities to record your keystrokes in case of
emergency (or also to look for suspicious activity?).
Could someone direct me to one or more such utilities? TIA!
--Aaron Namba
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:39:53 +0200
From: "Christian P. Sommerhoff"
Subject: Laserwriter Bridge and Sleep mode
I recently installed Laserwriter Bridge (V 2.0.1, included in System Update
2.0) on my PB540 (System 7.5.3) so that I could use Ethertalk and a
Laserwriter connected to Localtalk at the same time. Works great
immediately after restart - BUT...
When I put the powerbook to sleep the first time and wake it up afterwards,
I am greeted with the message that Laserwriter Bridge is not any more
available because the network connection has been interrupted. And indeed,
the Laserwriter is not any more available, and I did not found any way to
reconnect...
On the other hand, without Laserwriter Bridge the powerbook reconnects to
either the Localtalk network (i.e. the Laserwriter) or Ethertalk without
problems.
Is there any way to solve this problem (other than not putting the PB to
sleep)? Any way to put the powerbook to sleep without automatically
disconnecting the Localtalk connection or to reconnect after wakeup before
Laserwriter bridge recognizes the interruption?
Thanks in advance!
Christian
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:39:49 -0700
From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Subject: Need DOS 'DWG' to 'DXF' file Convertor
I need a program to translate a DOS Autocad file type .DWG into something
my Mac can read (ie DXF filetype). I have been unable to find anything that
will translate this file type into a file type that is readable by my Mac.
Any help would
be appreciated.
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:47:18 +0200
From: [email protected] (Peter van Peursem)
Subject: QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
> Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 02:41:26 -0400
> From: [email protected] (Peter J. Paul)
> Subject: QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
>
> I have recently moved and set up my Power Mac (7100) in my new home. I run
> QuickDraw GS (1.1.3) and often need to print with non-GX-aware
> applications. When I do, I must activate Print Monitor to output to my
> printer (LaserWriter Select 360). Before the move Print Monitor became a
> background application without any intervention, but now I must
> specifically run it. Does anyone know why, and/or how I may rectify this.
> TIA >
I think you're missing a little nifty utility called "QuickDraw GX
Helper". It is part of Quickdraw GX 1.1.3, but is not installed if you
do an "Easy Installation". To get it do a "Custom Installation" and
select GX Helper.
What it does (and doesn't):
It checks if the currently active application is GX-aware.
If not it displays itself in the Apple Menu, just below the
About... menu-item. It will read "Turn Desktop printing off".
Then choose this menu and it will ask you if GX-printing should
be disabled for this program. If you choose to do so it will use
the printing architecture of pre-GX days.
BUT: it works _only_ with Apple printers. This means you're OK,
but others who use non-Apple printers (i.e. HP, Tektronix etc)
are in need of another utility called OldPrint.
This is available at Info-Mac mirrors everywhere.
For those who have any interest in QuickDraw GX should check out the
"QuickDraw GX FanClub" - .
Everything you want to know can be found here (problems and solutions,
mailing list, utilities, programs, printer drivers, fonts etc.)
Also to be found here is Simon Lawson's excellent "GX Guide 4th
Edition", both in PDD format which requires GX or in eDOC format which
can be read and printed whithout GX installed.
Hope this helps,
Peter
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:20:20 +0100
From: [email protected] (John D. Davis)
Subject: Sys 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler Crashes
This is another repeatable conflict with 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler. I've
noticed that while having multiple apps open, I get complete system hangs
when one of the apps approaches either the end of its memory partition or
the end of system ram (not logical memory). This is most common when one
app is running in background, (ie spoolmaster) but can occur at any time
the foreground app max's the memory. Interestingly, the problem does not
occur using simple virtual memory.
Is this another memory leak problem? I have set OT to load always.
I also haven't tried the MacBugs trick or the powerbook sleep patch. (Both
of which fixed all problems on my pb160.
Any Comments or suggestions?
John D. Davis
5255 Lanier Rd.
Asheboro, NC 27203
910-381-4475
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:07:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: [email protected] (Marlo H. Carlson)
Subject: update
Hi everyone-
I am using an LC, under system 7.0(i know it's sad), and was wondering if
anyone could help me out with any good system updates that I could possible
download? What's the best way to update my system? Thanks for any help.
Dale Carlson
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:51:44 -0400
From: [email protected] (Norman R. Friedman)
Subject: User unknown
Trying to contact [email protected] the author and address listed in
info-mac v 14 #106 for "Tzupatchkite icon collection"
This address bounces back as unknown. If the author or anyone who knows
correct address, please let me know, I am having trouble opening the
collection.
Thanks everyone
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 14:01:17 -0500
From: Stephen Froehlich
Subject: Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac?
>>I am currently cosidering a Ram expansion, and would like to know if Wintel
>>SIMMs work on a Macintosh. I have a Mac LC475 that requires 72 pin, 32 bit
>>70 ns SIMMs
>
>
>Yep, the SIMMs sold for PC clones will work just as well in your Mac. The only
>difference is that PC SIMMs are 9 bits wide instead of 8; the extra bit is
used
>for parity, and is simply ignored on a Mac.
You can get 32 bit (non-parity) SIMMS (hey, and pricces are really down too). I
installed a brand new 16MB in one of the machines I support (Q 610) and it went
flawlessly. I'm pretty sure that it came from a PC vendor and didn't say Mac
anywhere.
In fact, purchasing called, and said they knew about cheaper SIMMs than I had
put on the purchase request, and I gave them free reign confident in the
knowledge
that a SIMM is a SIMM is a SIMM. (Even most UNIX boxes use the same SIMMS).
Stephen Froehlich
Mac Admin ARL:UT
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:52:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac?
> I am currently cosidering a Ram expansion, and would like to know if
> Wintel SIMMs work on a Macintosh. I have a Mac LC475 that requires 72
> pin, 32 bit 70 ns SIMMs, and as many Wintel vendors sell SIMMs with
> these specs, I would like to know if there is any reason why such a SIMM
> should not work on my Mac.
No problem. 72-pin SIMMs for PCs will work in any Mac which accepts
72-pin SIMMs. Parity doesn't matter (it is used on PCs to check RAM
integrity, but Macs use a superior method, and newer PCs have started
using a similar method). You need to make sure that (1) the SIMMs are
non-composite (composite SIMMs are cheaper but not recommended in Macs
because of their higher power requirements), and (2) they are rated at
the speed recommended for your Mac or faster.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 96 09:33:40 -0500
From: chaz
Subject: Zip vs. EZ
Some time near Thu, 02 May 1996 23:56:38 PST, SHU-WAI CHOW
appears to have said something like:
>I'd like people's opinions on whether to get a Zip drive or a Syquest EZ
>drive.
>On the surface, the EZ drive looks more attractive: Way faster, and larger
>disks for only $20 more.
>From what I've read about these drives in real-world reviews, the "way
faster" part is not true in real-world usage; the two drives are nearly
identical when one is running apps, opening files, etc. When one runs
drive-busting performance tests, then and only then to the performance
differences show up.
Also according to reviews I've read, the SyQuest EZ disks are quite
fragile if not stored in their padded cases, where the ZIP disks are much
sturdier.
Personally, I don't like the fussy disk-ejecting system on SyQuest drives:
drag to trash, push button, wait from drive to spin down, throw lever to
eject it. The more floppy-like behavior of the ZIP [drag to trash, disk
pops out] appeals to me.
That's my two cents. One caveat: I do not own either of these drives.
chazl
05.06.96
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Why should I care if I got to cut my hair? I got to move with the
fashion or be outcast. - Peter Townshend, 'Cut My Hair'
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:25:22 -0500
From: "Wayne C. Morris"
Subject: Zip vs. EZ
>I'd like people's opinions on whether to get a Zip drive or a Syquest EZ
>drive.
>On the surface, the EZ drive looks more attractive: Way faster, and larger
>disks for only $20 more.
The SyQuest drives have one big point against them: ease of use. After you=
insert a cartridge, you have to move a lever on the front of the drive,=
then wait a while until the drive comes up to speed and the Mac sees the=
disk. To eject a cartridge, you have to (1) tell the Mac to eject it; (2)=
push a button on the front of the drive; (3) wait while the drive spins=
down and comes to a complete stop; (4) move a lever on the front of the=
drive to physically eject the cartridge.
Zip disks work just like floppy diskettes. Insert the diskette and it=
appears on the desktop. Tell the Mac to eject the disk and it pops out of=
the drive. The delay is never more than a few seconds.
I had an old SyQuest 44Mb drive for about 5 years, and I rarely used it=
because it was so inconvenient. When the EZ drives were released, the=
first thing I wanted to know was whether it had the same lever-and-button=
design as all previous SQ drives. When I found out that it did, I crossed=
it off my list and bought a Zip drive. instead. And I'm still happy with=
my decision.
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Info-Mac Digest Mon, 6 May 96 Volume 14 : Issue 108
Today's Topics:
(A) IceTee
(A2) Mac as internet sever (A)
(A?) QuickMail -> Eudora
(Q) 7.5.3 and PowerCD
(Q) Graphics pasted to Word or Frame deadjusted
[A] Quark Query
Aaron or Aaron's BeBox under System 7.5.3
Automated Mac Restart
ClarisWorks updates...
Erased SyQuest 88MB cartridge
Hebrew fonts
IBM fromated disks (3 msgs)
IBM to Mac ??
Imagewriter II...
Is there a Utility to make Mac windows look like XWindows?
Keyboard Menus
keystroke recorders
Laserwriter Bridge and Sleep mode
Need DOS 'DWG' to 'DXF' file Convertor
QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
Sys 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler Crashes
update
User unknown
Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac? (2 msgs)
Zip vs. EZ (2 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:51:39 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A) IceTee
At 9:17 PM +0100 4/24/96, Bill Ingraham wrote:
>I was referred to a program called Icetee but I can't find it anywhere. Any
>one?
It's part of Internet Config. Use the following URL to grab it:
http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperAr ... t-config-1
2.hqx
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:30:28 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A2) Mac as internet sever (A)
At 12:46 PM -0400 4/24/96, Peter Jorgensen wrote:
>There is a very active list called Apple-Internet-Providers which discusses
>the issues of providing internet services using Apple products. In short, you
>can now provide every internet service, including usenet news and DNS with
>the Mac OS.
In case you're interested, the address is:
[email protected]
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:27:31 -0500
From: Thomas Scott
Subject: (A?) QuickMail -> Eudora
At 11:29 AM +1100 4/26/96, Ben Warner wrote:
>We are running a network of macs in the office, which are all running =
>QuickMail. We are seriously considering converting to Eudora.
>The big problem here is retaining all our important filed mail in the =
>switch. Idealy, we are looking for a utility that converts QuickMail =
>files to Eudora files, but I believe there has been some difficulties in =
>decifering the QuickMail file format.
>Any one know any more on this?
>Appreciate any info.
Probably not what you want, but you can highlight messages and click on the
Save button to save as a text file. Then you can read them into Eudora.
You can highlight multiple messages and save them, but it gives them a
generic name ("Saved Mail"). If you have a mail folder, you can highlight
the messages in the folder, save, and name them after the folder. One
problem is that Eudora cannot handle messages over 32K (well, actually
Eudora 3, which is in beta right now and should be in production in July,
*DOES* handle >32K messages; unfortunately, it's only being released for
the Mac right now--no indication for a Windows release).
There's also a utility called AB Converter (or something like that; I did
this conversion close to 2 years ago), which can convert QM Address Books
into text files. I wrote a little FoxPro program to convert these
tab-delimited text files into a format that Eudora could utilize. I don't
have it any more--it was for a previous job.
Thomas Scott, Human Ecology WebMaster - http://www.human.cornell.edu/
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:13:18 +0100
From: Bob Kenyon
Subject: (Q) 7.5.3 and PowerCD
Dear net,
I have a PowerCD CDROM drive attached to my Mac IIcx. As I have
migrated through various flavours of system 7, 7.1, 7.5, I have always
needed to re-install the "Power CD Audio" desk accessory (or whatever
they call them nowadays) and the "Power CD Extension" to replace the
mainstream CDROM stuff from the system installers.
These files have version 1.0.1 and date August 25th 1993.
Does anyone know whether 7.5.3 breaks these files, or alternatively,
if there are newer versions of them?
regards,
Bob
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:48:53 +0000
From: [email protected] (Jens Eickhoff)
Subject: (Q) Graphics pasted to Word or Frame deadjusted
I have some curve plots (PICT) generated with MathPad 2.4 which look fine
when copied from MathPad to ClarisDraw and which then are printed from
ClarisDraw. I want to include them in a technical note generated with Word
5.1 or Word 6.0.1 but have problems in printing them as soon as they are
copied to Word.
I can copy them from ClarisDraw to Word and on screen everything still
looks fine, but when printing them, all PICT items get deadjusted (line
segments of the plot are no longer in line with each other). The whole
scenery just looks as if the coordinate information of the line start and
end coordinates had been decreased in resolution.
The same problem occurs when posting these graphics to FrameMaker 4 or 5.0.1.
Can anyone please tell me the technical reasons and recipes to fix this
problem?
J. Eickhoff
Dr. Jens Eickhoff
Dept. RST 67 email: [email protected]
Dornier Satellitensysteme GmbH phone: (+49)(0) 7545 / 8-4178
D-88039 Friedrichshafen fax: (+49)(0) 7545 / 8-3210
Germany
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:47:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: [A] Quark Query
> Does anyone one know how to set a different default font in Quark
> Xpress? I know it must have something to do with the FDHL resources in
> the Xpress Preferences file, but I don't know how to make any other font
> stick.
With Quark open but no document active choose Edit>Style Sheets....
Select the style Normal and click on Edit, then on Character. Now choose
a font from the Font pop-down menu. Then click OK, click OK once more,
then click on Save. From now on the default font for new documents will
be the one you chose.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Art Werschulz
Subject: Aaron or Aaron's BeBox under System 7.5.3
Hi.
Having upgraded from 7.5.1 to 7.5.3, I have found that the Aaron and
Aaron's BeBox extensions freeze the screen. Does anybody have
versions of same that don't cause a screen freeze?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:03:26 +0100
From: [email protected] (Karl Pottie)
Subject: Automated Mac Restart
>I need to restart a Mac unattended at the same time every night.
>
>There are several volumes mounted on this IIcx (8/40 running system 7.1)
>which acts as a Telefinder BBS. When one of the volumes "unexpectedly
>quits" it locks up the computer and Telefinder will not answer incoming
>calls. Restarting the computer allows Telefinder to reload and the crashed
>volume to remount.
Try a Keep It Up and/or AutoBoot:
ftp://ftp.hawaii.edu/mirrors/info-mac/c ... -up-13.hqx
ftp://ftp.hawaii.edu/mirrors/info-mac/c ... ot-145.hqx
--
Karl Pottie e-mail: [email protected]
phone (work) : ++32 16 267911
------------------------------
Date: 7 May 1996 01:17:18 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rick Nible)
Subject: ClarisWorks updates...
Anyone know where I can get the CW update from CW 1.03 to CW 2.o or 3.0??
(Actually, I want to go from CW 1.03 to 4.0, but can't seem to
successfully import large DB files created in 1.03 to 4.0. I'm assuming
if I update them to 2.0 or 3.0 first I'll have more luck.)
Any other suggested workarounds would be appreciated. Thanks.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 06 May 96 07:43:00 EST
From:
Subject: Erased SyQuest 88MB cartridge
Hi,
I have a Mac with a SyQuest 88MB drive. I had a cartridge that showed a
plain document icon. I tried to change it, pasting another one,
reformatting... nothing worked. So I erased the cartridge with a bulk
eraser. Big mistake. It seems that the cartridge lost some kind of
internal formatting (low level, I guess) and now it won't be recognized
by the drive. HELPY Is there available a low level formatter for SyQuest
88MB cartridges? My drive was "previously owned" by a Wintel user, so
I'm sure he won't have any special Mac-based utiliities to help me.
Thank you in advance for any info.
Jorge Irsay
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 96 07:25:02 -0400
From: Noam Kutler
Subject: Hebrew fonts
Does anybody know how to setup up Netscape 2.0 to view Hebrew web pages
and e-mail? I heard that the font Ariela works with Netscape but I
haven't been able to figure out how to get it to work yet. Also is there
a way to get the macintosh to let there be more than like 180 fonts or
something? I forget the exact number.
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 96 09:54:12 -0500
From: chaz
Subject: IBM fromated disks
>I was wondering if
>I could get a box of [IBM formated disks] and reformat them
Yes.
>would the system simply
>bring up an error message and say that the disk is unreadable and ask
>me to reinitialize
If you have PC Exchange [or something like it] installed, the disk will
mount just like a Mac floppy, and you can then select "Erase Disk",
choose "Macintosh 1.4 MB" from the format menu, and reformat.
If you don't have PC Exchange installed, then you'll get the standard
"Unreadable! Format?" dialog you expect.
>Does anyone here have any experience with this ?
I do this many times every day.
chazl
05.06.96
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Some voices got treble, some voices got bass; we got the kind of voices
that are in your face. - Beastie Boys, 'Rhymin' and Stealin''
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: IBM fromated disks
> Hello All ! Recently I have noticed that the computer store that I shop
> at has fewer and fewer non formatted disks and the other day they did
> not have any at all , but they have tons of IBM formated disks . I was
> wondering if I could get a box of those and reformat them , would the
> system simply bring up an error message and say that the disk is
> unreadable able and ask me to reinitialize or would it simply not read
> the disk at all and completely reject it ?
Depends on whether PC Exchange (or equivalent utility) is installed. If
no, then it will tell you it's not a Mac disk and will give you the
option to format it. If yes, it will be mounted as a PC disk and you can
reformat it using the Special>Erase ... command. If you need to format
more than one or two disks, use Norton's Floppier or DiskCharmer (from
info-mac) to expedite the procedure.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:44:31 -0500
From: "Wayne C. Morris"
Subject: IBM fromated disks
>Hello All ! Recently I have noticed that the computer store that I shop at
>has fewer and fewer non formatted disks and the other day they did not have
>any at all , but they have tons of IBM formated disks . I was wondering if
>I could get a box of those and reformat them
Yes, you can reformat them on your Mac.
Your Mac may be capable of reading & writing DOS diskettes. If so, then you=
won't get an error when you insert one, but you'll still want to reformat=
it for Mac-only use, using the Special - Erase Disk menu selection. It'll=
give you the option of reformatting it as a Mac or DOS diskette.
If your Mac doesn't recognize DOS diskettes, you'll just get an error and be=
asked whether you want to initialize the diskette.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: IBM to Mac ??
> If I download a file (Mac Format) from Internet by using a PC ( IBM,
> Win95 ) Is there anyway that I can convert it to Mac Diskette and use
> for Mac ??
Yes. Download the file as Binhex or binary (not MacBinary). Put it on a
PC floppy, which can be read on the Mac if PC Exchange (a control panel,
part of the MacOS since 7.5) is installed. Then use StuffIt Expander
(free from info-mac) to decode and expand the file.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:27:58 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Imagewriter II...
>My company has recently purchased an Imagewriter II printer to hold
>our new 8.5x11 3 part forms which is hooked up to a computer that
>has a database on it with which we will be taking orders and then
>printing them. We are supposed to go online with this next week,
>however the forms are constantly binding and jamming and we are dead
>in the water.
>The extra ingredient in this stew is that on the top right of this
>form is a 4x4 label which we peel off later. The label is on top of
>the third layer, not a part of it, so it really is a fourth layer,
>but only on that small section of the form. We are pretty sure this
>label is causing the problems. If anyone out there has any ideas on
>how to make the IW II work with thse forms, or has a better printer
>for us to try, please let us know. We are really scrambling for
>ideas at this point.
>Thank you all for any help you can give.
>From pp. 48-49 of the Imagewriter II's Owner's Manual:
ADJUSTING FOR PAPER THICKNESS
To adjust for thicker paper, you need to set the *paper thickness lever*.
In its standard (up) position, the lever sets a thickness for one sheet
of paper (16- to 24-pound bond). The lever clicks through four
positions. You can change to the second position by pushing the lever
downward. The second position is for a two-sheet thickness. The next
position is for three sheets and the last for four.
_____________
WARNING
Never use a form, label, or envelope that is thicker than four sheets of
16-pound bond. Too much paper may cause lines to register incorrectly or
may jam the printer.
_____________
Follow these steps to set the lever.
1. To get at the lever, remove the front cover. The lever is at the
right end of the carrier rod.
2. Before setting the lever, count the sheets in an individual form.
For envelopes, try a two-sheet thickness, and for mailing labels, a
three-sheet thickness.
3. Click the lever to the appropriate setting.
4. After adjusting the paper thickness lever, replace the front cover.
If the cover is off or not properly seated, the Imagewriter II will not
print.
____________________________________________
I hope this solves your problem.
Pulin Kothari
San Antonio/Houston, TX
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:32:55 -0400
From: [email protected] (Michael Handel (157))
Subject: Is there a Utility to make Mac windows look like XWindows?
I'm looking for a utility that will mac the plain jane Mac window look
more like windows in the XWindow environment. That is, with 360 degree
resizeable borders, and a minimize/maximize button. Does such a thing
exist?
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:17:09 -0500
From: [email protected] (Cleve Posey)
Subject: Keyboard Menus
I am looking for an extension for System 7.5.3 that will allow the
user to operate the menus via the keyboard. I have tried 'Key Menu'
and 'Auto Menu', neither of which operate reliably with 7.5.3 . Any
help
would be greatly appreciated.
Cleve Posey
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 04:33:04 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: keystroke recorders
there used to be several utilities to record your keystrokes in case of
emergency (or also to look for suspicious activity?).
Could someone direct me to one or more such utilities? TIA!
--Aaron Namba
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 15:39:53 +0200
From: "Christian P. Sommerhoff"
Subject: Laserwriter Bridge and Sleep mode
I recently installed Laserwriter Bridge (V 2.0.1, included in System Update
2.0) on my PB540 (System 7.5.3) so that I could use Ethertalk and a
Laserwriter connected to Localtalk at the same time. Works great
immediately after restart - BUT...
When I put the powerbook to sleep the first time and wake it up afterwards,
I am greeted with the message that Laserwriter Bridge is not any more
available because the network connection has been interrupted. And indeed,
the Laserwriter is not any more available, and I did not found any way to
reconnect...
On the other hand, without Laserwriter Bridge the powerbook reconnects to
either the Localtalk network (i.e. the Laserwriter) or Ethertalk without
problems.
Is there any way to solve this problem (other than not putting the PB to
sleep)? Any way to put the powerbook to sleep without automatically
disconnecting the Localtalk connection or to reconnect after wakeup before
Laserwriter bridge recognizes the interruption?
Thanks in advance!
Christian
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:39:49 -0700
From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Subject: Need DOS 'DWG' to 'DXF' file Convertor
I need a program to translate a DOS Autocad file type .DWG into something
my Mac can read (ie DXF filetype). I have been unable to find anything that
will translate this file type into a file type that is readable by my Mac.
Any help would
be appreciated.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:47:18 +0200
From: [email protected] (Peter van Peursem)
Subject: QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
> Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 02:41:26 -0400
> From: [email protected] (Peter J. Paul)
> Subject: QuickDraw GX/Print Monitor
>
> I have recently moved and set up my Power Mac (7100) in my new home. I run
> QuickDraw GS (1.1.3) and often need to print with non-GX-aware
> applications. When I do, I must activate Print Monitor to output to my
> printer (LaserWriter Select 360). Before the move Print Monitor became a
> background application without any intervention, but now I must
> specifically run it. Does anyone know why, and/or how I may rectify this.
> TIA >
I think you're missing a little nifty utility called "QuickDraw GX
Helper". It is part of Quickdraw GX 1.1.3, but is not installed if you
do an "Easy Installation". To get it do a "Custom Installation" and
select GX Helper.
What it does (and doesn't):
It checks if the currently active application is GX-aware.
If not it displays itself in the Apple Menu, just below the
About... menu-item. It will read "Turn Desktop printing off".
Then choose this menu and it will ask you if GX-printing should
be disabled for this program. If you choose to do so it will use
the printing architecture of pre-GX days.
BUT: it works _only_ with Apple printers. This means you're OK,
but others who use non-Apple printers (i.e. HP, Tektronix etc)
are in need of another utility called OldPrint.
This is available at Info-Mac mirrors everywhere.
For those who have any interest in QuickDraw GX should check out the
"QuickDraw GX FanClub" - .
Everything you want to know can be found here (problems and solutions,
mailing list, utilities, programs, printer drivers, fonts etc.)
Also to be found here is Simon Lawson's excellent "GX Guide 4th
Edition", both in PDD format which requires GX or in eDOC format which
can be read and printed whithout GX installed.
Hope this helps,
Peter
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:20:20 +0100
From: [email protected] (John D. Davis)
Subject: Sys 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler Crashes
This is another repeatable conflict with 7.5.3 and Ramdoubler. I've
noticed that while having multiple apps open, I get complete system hangs
when one of the apps approaches either the end of its memory partition or
the end of system ram (not logical memory). This is most common when one
app is running in background, (ie spoolmaster) but can occur at any time
the foreground app max's the memory. Interestingly, the problem does not
occur using simple virtual memory.
Is this another memory leak problem? I have set OT to load always.
I also haven't tried the MacBugs trick or the powerbook sleep patch. (Both
of which fixed all problems on my pb160.
Any Comments or suggestions?
John D. Davis
5255 Lanier Rd.
Asheboro, NC 27203
910-381-4475
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:07:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: [email protected] (Marlo H. Carlson)
Subject: update
Hi everyone-
I am using an LC, under system 7.0(i know it's sad), and was wondering if
anyone could help me out with any good system updates that I could possible
download? What's the best way to update my system? Thanks for any help.
Dale Carlson
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:51:44 -0400
From: [email protected] (Norman R. Friedman)
Subject: User unknown
Trying to contact [email protected] the author and address listed in
info-mac v 14 #106 for "Tzupatchkite icon collection"
This address bounces back as unknown. If the author or anyone who knows
correct address, please let me know, I am having trouble opening the
collection.
Thanks everyone
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 14:01:17 -0500
From: Stephen Froehlich
Subject: Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac?
>>I am currently cosidering a Ram expansion, and would like to know if Wintel
>>SIMMs work on a Macintosh. I have a Mac LC475 that requires 72 pin, 32 bit
>>70 ns SIMMs
>
>
>Yep, the SIMMs sold for PC clones will work just as well in your Mac. The only
>difference is that PC SIMMs are 9 bits wide instead of 8; the extra bit is
used
>for parity, and is simply ignored on a Mac.
You can get 32 bit (non-parity) SIMMS (hey, and pricces are really down too). I
installed a brand new 16MB in one of the machines I support (Q 610) and it went
flawlessly. I'm pretty sure that it came from a PC vendor and didn't say Mac
anywhere.
In fact, purchasing called, and said they knew about cheaper SIMMs than I had
put on the purchase request, and I gave them free reign confident in the
knowledge
that a SIMM is a SIMM is a SIMM. (Even most UNIX boxes use the same SIMMS).
Stephen Froehlich
Mac Admin ARL:UT
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:52:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected] (F. Neumann)
Subject: Wintel (gasp!) SIMMS on a Mac?
> I am currently cosidering a Ram expansion, and would like to know if
> Wintel SIMMs work on a Macintosh. I have a Mac LC475 that requires 72
> pin, 32 bit 70 ns SIMMs, and as many Wintel vendors sell SIMMs with
> these specs, I would like to know if there is any reason why such a SIMM
> should not work on my Mac.
No problem. 72-pin SIMMs for PCs will work in any Mac which accepts
72-pin SIMMs. Parity doesn't matter (it is used on PCs to check RAM
integrity, but Macs use a superior method, and newer PCs have started
using a similar method). You need to make sure that (1) the SIMMs are
non-composite (composite SIMMs are cheaper but not recommended in Macs
because of their higher power requirements), and (2) they are rated at
the speed recommended for your Mac or faster.
--
Florin Neumann
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 96 09:33:40 -0500
From: chaz
Subject: Zip vs. EZ
Some time near Thu, 02 May 1996 23:56:38 PST, SHU-WAI CHOW
appears to have said something like:
>I'd like people's opinions on whether to get a Zip drive or a Syquest EZ
>drive.
>On the surface, the EZ drive looks more attractive: Way faster, and larger
>disks for only $20 more.
>From what I've read about these drives in real-world reviews, the "way
faster" part is not true in real-world usage; the two drives are nearly
identical when one is running apps, opening files, etc. When one runs
drive-busting performance tests, then and only then to the performance
differences show up.
Also according to reviews I've read, the SyQuest EZ disks are quite
fragile if not stored in their padded cases, where the ZIP disks are much
sturdier.
Personally, I don't like the fussy disk-ejecting system on SyQuest drives:
drag to trash, push button, wait from drive to spin down, throw lever to
eject it. The more floppy-like behavior of the ZIP [drag to trash, disk
pops out] appeals to me.
That's my two cents. One caveat: I do not own either of these drives.
chazl
05.06.96
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Chaz Larson - [email protected] - http://www.visi.com/~chaz
Why should I care if I got to cut my hair? I got to move with the
fashion or be outcast. - Peter Townshend, 'Cut My Hair'
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:25:22 -0500
From: "Wayne C. Morris"
Subject: Zip vs. EZ
>I'd like people's opinions on whether to get a Zip drive or a Syquest EZ
>drive.
>On the surface, the EZ drive looks more attractive: Way faster, and larger
>disks for only $20 more.
The SyQuest drives have one big point against them: ease of use. After you=
insert a cartridge, you have to move a lever on the front of the drive,=
then wait a while until the drive comes up to speed and the Mac sees the=
disk. To eject a cartridge, you have to (1) tell the Mac to eject it; (2)=
push a button on the front of the drive; (3) wait while the drive spins=
down and comes to a complete stop; (4) move a lever on the front of the=
drive to physically eject the cartridge.
Zip disks work just like floppy diskettes. Insert the diskette and it=
appears on the desktop. Tell the Mac to eject the disk and it pops out of=
the drive. The delay is never more than a few seconds.
I had an old SyQuest 44Mb drive for about 5 years, and I rarely used it=
because it was so inconvenient. When the EZ drives were released, the=
first thing I wanted to know was whether it had the same lever-and-button=
design as all previous SQ drives. When I found out that it did, I crossed=
it off my list and bought a Zip drive. instead. And I'm still happy with=
my decision.
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