INFO-MAC Digest V4 #122
Posted: October 31st, 1986, 2:22 am
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From: [email protected] (Moderator David Gelphman...)
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Subject: INFO-MAC Digest V4 #122
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Date: Mon, 29-Sep-86 19:43:00 EDT
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INFO-MAC Digest Monday, 29 Sep 1986 Volume 4 : Issue 122
Today's Topics:
MODERATOR ERROR
Hard Disk 20 SC
Levco Prodigy 4 exorbitant?
RE: MacMemory Upgrade Horror Story
DA-SETPATHS.HQX
UTILITY-SUPERMAC-30.HQX
usenetv2-79.arc
chinese word processor
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 20:37:27 PDT
From:
Reply-to: DAVEG%[email protected]
Subject: MODERATOR ERROR
Unfortunately I made an error while preparing a recent info-mac
digest and at least 10 submissions were deleted. I ask those who may
have submitted something to infomac between Friday Sept 26th and Sunday
Sept 28th to please resubmit your items again. Again I am sorry for the
goof up...hopefully everyone will repost and any important messages will
not be missed. Thanks for your patience, David Gelphman, moderator
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 23:17:25 PDT
From: [email protected] (Norman Fong)
Subject: Hard Disk 20 SC
We just got our Apple HD20sc in today..here's some unbiased dirt on it:
Size about same height as HD20, length is about 1 inch longer! than mac!
width is the same as a mac.One red led in front, lights up when drive is
active. Fan is noisy! As noisy as a becktech fanny mac. Drive does not
make much noise during access.
FLAME ON!
Drive does not come with cables! You have to buy a scsi cable..
WORSE YET! you have to buy a fricking SCSI terminator! ($40!) because
the drive doesnt have one builtin, as does every single other drive
on the market. I think this sucks royally!
FLAME OFF!
It comes with software..some at least. Find File DA, a HFS global
search-type utility..(useful if you forget a path) and Disk First Aid,
a great disk scavenger/recover program for ANY HFS volume inc.
DS disks and hard disks. Havent used it personally, but have heard
it works.
Drive performance: When formatted, 19264K is available. Where's
the other 536K? (Floating in the bit stream?)
DiskBench 1597 1594 and 234. Not too fast..Good Access time though
DiskTimer 20.5 20.5 Acces 3.8 (Fair)
(Dataframe 40 gets 13.4 13.7 3.8)
Actual speed diference approx 10% slower.
IE excel loads in 10s on HD20sc, 8s on Dataframe.
The drive retails for $1298 which is high compared with $1098 Dataframe
and $599 Jasmine drive? Its just comes down to whether you
can afford the $$ to buy a reliable drive from Apple. We sure
will trust this sucker more than any other scsi drive as the
HD20 NEVER gave us problems, guess the extra $$ was insurance..
Hope this helps..
Norman
Disclamer: I Dont work for Apple or any hardware manufacturer.
Claimer: I work for FWB Software, which sells software geared for
hard disks, so I hope I know what I am talking about...(Sometimes)
------------------------------
From: stew%[email protected]
Date: 29 Sep 86 11:21 EDT
Subject: Levco Prodigy 4 exorbitant?
Before you flame them too badly, remember that they are operating under
a major limitation: whatever they do has to fit into the Mac case.
The major part of that price is 4 Mb worth of 1Mbit memory chips,
between $2200 and $3600 currently (I don't know what speeds or
quantities they're getting).
For a while they were talking about a Prodigy 2 with 2Mb of 256Kbit
chips at quite a bit less; I haven't heard any more on this...
Stew
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 22:11 PDT
From: PUGH%[email protected]
Subject: RE: MacMemory Upgrade Horror Story
While I am very sorry for Werner, it is things like this reaffirm my cowardice
and urge to inspect everything that is done to my Mac.
When they told me they could wedge another banana board in there, I wasn't
sure I believed them. Now I'm glad I didn't. I would advise others of the
same thing.
Remember, without internal vigilance it could happen to you!
------------------------------
Date: Mon 29 Sep 86 11:19:30-PDT
From: Barry Eynon
Subject: DA-SETPATHS.HQX
To: [email protected]
Message-ID:
Here (from GEnie) is Setpath v1.3. To quote from the manual:
Set Paths is a desk accessory which maintains a list of up to five path names.
Once Set Paths has been used that list will be searched any time a file open
operation occurs. The point is that if the file is not found where the
programmer told the system to look, the system will start searching your list of
paths and will fail to find the file only if it is in none of them.
Hopefully this will solve a number of incompatibilites that arise with some
applications running under HFS - you know, the ones that require that their
working files be in the same folder as the application.
The main purpose of Set Paths, though, is to make life easier for developers who
have source files, object files, compilers, linkers, and editors littered all
over their disks.
-Barry Eynon
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From: korn%[email protected] (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Subject: UTILITY-SUPERMAC-30.HQX
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 86 13:41:49 PDT
It seems that many folks out in net.land own DataFrame 20s.
I just got permission from the kind folks at SuperMac to
post their latest update...so here it is.
This file contains a binhexed, packit-ed file containing
SuperSpool3.0, the queue DA, & docs; SuperPark & docs; and
Update (who's function I'm somewhat confused by, but at 4K,
I figured it's worth putting in).
Peter
Peter "Arrgh" Korn I know lots of honorary jews! Why,
[email protected] some of my very best friends
{decvax,dual,hplabs,sdcsvax,ulysses}!ucbvax!korn are honorary jews!
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Date: 29 Sep 86 13:58:43 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman
Subject: usenetv2-79.arc
Usenet Mac Digest Monday, 29 September 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 79
Relational Database Query
Scroller / pager
ResEdit bugs
Re: DataFrame changes
Re: Warning about More
MacServe Info Wanted
Re: DataFrame 20 (actually, shutting down Mac)
LightspeedC Update!
Apple HD20sc
Re: Odd Mac+ behavior (and "mouse thaw" FKEY?)
Converting DMS Design MacSCSI to Mac+ compatability
Re: Porting UNIX Applications to the Mac
Virtual drive packages
Review of SMASH HIT RAQUETBALL
Aztec C vs. LSC?
Wierdness with serial drivers
Wanted: TextEdit class for NEON
Re: Keyboard Layout
Pascal pointers vs. Mac pointers
Keyboard
Re: BYTE issue of September 86 focuses on the 68000
Convering Data fork stuff to a CODE resource
DiskTimer results
Re: STR# resources (Re: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #45)
[ archived as
[SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]USENETV2-79.ARC
DAVEG
]
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Date: 29 SEP 86 14:42-EST
From: AEBERSOL%[email protected]
Subject: chinese word processor
Our East Asian Language department is trying to locate word processing
software which will handle Chinese text. Any advice/recommendations will
be greatly appreciated.
Dennis Aebersold
[email protected]
------------------------------
End of INFO-MAC Digest
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Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbatt!cbosgd!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.ARPA!INFO-MAC-REQUEST
From: [email protected] (Moderator David Gelphman...)
Newsgroups: mod.mac
Subject: INFO-MAC Digest V4 #122
Message-ID:
Date: Mon, 29-Sep-86 19:43:00 EDT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8609300239.AA01690
Posted: Mon Sep 29 19:43:00 1986
Date-Received: Tue, 30-Sep-86 15:00:51 EDT
Sender: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: The ARPA Internet
Lines: 225
Approved: [email protected]
INFO-MAC Digest Monday, 29 Sep 1986 Volume 4 : Issue 122
Today's Topics:
MODERATOR ERROR
Hard Disk 20 SC
Levco Prodigy 4 exorbitant?
RE: MacMemory Upgrade Horror Story
DA-SETPATHS.HQX
UTILITY-SUPERMAC-30.HQX
usenetv2-79.arc
chinese word processor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 20:37:27 PDT
From:
Reply-to: DAVEG%[email protected]
Subject: MODERATOR ERROR
Unfortunately I made an error while preparing a recent info-mac
digest and at least 10 submissions were deleted. I ask those who may
have submitted something to infomac between Friday Sept 26th and Sunday
Sept 28th to please resubmit your items again. Again I am sorry for the
goof up...hopefully everyone will repost and any important messages will
not be missed. Thanks for your patience, David Gelphman, moderator
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 23:17:25 PDT
From: [email protected] (Norman Fong)
Subject: Hard Disk 20 SC
We just got our Apple HD20sc in today..here's some unbiased dirt on it:
Size about same height as HD20, length is about 1 inch longer! than mac!
width is the same as a mac.One red led in front, lights up when drive is
active. Fan is noisy! As noisy as a becktech fanny mac. Drive does not
make much noise during access.
FLAME ON!
Drive does not come with cables! You have to buy a scsi cable..
WORSE YET! you have to buy a fricking SCSI terminator! ($40!) because
the drive doesnt have one builtin, as does every single other drive
on the market. I think this sucks royally!
FLAME OFF!
It comes with software..some at least. Find File DA, a HFS global
search-type utility..(useful if you forget a path) and Disk First Aid,
a great disk scavenger/recover program for ANY HFS volume inc.
DS disks and hard disks. Havent used it personally, but have heard
it works.
Drive performance: When formatted, 19264K is available. Where's
the other 536K? (Floating in the bit stream?)
DiskBench 1597 1594 and 234. Not too fast..Good Access time though
DiskTimer 20.5 20.5 Acces 3.8 (Fair)
(Dataframe 40 gets 13.4 13.7 3.8)
Actual speed diference approx 10% slower.
IE excel loads in 10s on HD20sc, 8s on Dataframe.
The drive retails for $1298 which is high compared with $1098 Dataframe
and $599 Jasmine drive? Its just comes down to whether you
can afford the $$ to buy a reliable drive from Apple. We sure
will trust this sucker more than any other scsi drive as the
HD20 NEVER gave us problems, guess the extra $$ was insurance..
Hope this helps..
Norman
Disclamer: I Dont work for Apple or any hardware manufacturer.
Claimer: I work for FWB Software, which sells software geared for
hard disks, so I hope I know what I am talking about...(Sometimes)
------------------------------
From: stew%[email protected]
Date: 29 Sep 86 11:21 EDT
Subject: Levco Prodigy 4 exorbitant?
Before you flame them too badly, remember that they are operating under
a major limitation: whatever they do has to fit into the Mac case.
The major part of that price is 4 Mb worth of 1Mbit memory chips,
between $2200 and $3600 currently (I don't know what speeds or
quantities they're getting).
For a while they were talking about a Prodigy 2 with 2Mb of 256Kbit
chips at quite a bit less; I haven't heard any more on this...
Stew
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 86 22:11 PDT
From: PUGH%[email protected]
Subject: RE: MacMemory Upgrade Horror Story
While I am very sorry for Werner, it is things like this reaffirm my cowardice
and urge to inspect everything that is done to my Mac.
When they told me they could wedge another banana board in there, I wasn't
sure I believed them. Now I'm glad I didn't. I would advise others of the
same thing.
Remember, without internal vigilance it could happen to you!
------------------------------
Date: Mon 29 Sep 86 11:19:30-PDT
From: Barry Eynon
Subject: DA-SETPATHS.HQX
To: [email protected]
Message-ID:
Here (from GEnie) is Setpath v1.3. To quote from the manual:
Set Paths is a desk accessory which maintains a list of up to five path names.
Once Set Paths has been used that list will be searched any time a file open
operation occurs. The point is that if the file is not found where the
programmer told the system to look, the system will start searching your list of
paths and will fail to find the file only if it is in none of them.
Hopefully this will solve a number of incompatibilites that arise with some
applications running under HFS - you know, the ones that require that their
working files be in the same folder as the application.
The main purpose of Set Paths, though, is to make life easier for developers who
have source files, object files, compilers, linkers, and editors littered all
over their disks.
-Barry Eynon
[ ARCHIVED AS
[SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]DA-SETPATHS.HQX
DAVEG
]
------------------------------
From: korn%[email protected] (Peter "Arrgh" Korn)
Subject: UTILITY-SUPERMAC-30.HQX
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 86 13:41:49 PDT
It seems that many folks out in net.land own DataFrame 20s.
I just got permission from the kind folks at SuperMac to
post their latest update...so here it is.
This file contains a binhexed, packit-ed file containing
SuperSpool3.0, the queue DA, & docs; SuperPark & docs; and
Update (who's function I'm somewhat confused by, but at 4K,
I figured it's worth putting in).
Peter
Peter "Arrgh" Korn I know lots of honorary jews! Why,
[email protected] some of my very best friends
{decvax,dual,hplabs,sdcsvax,ulysses}!ucbvax!korn are honorary jews!
[ ARCHIVED AS
[SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]UTILITY-SUPERMAC-30.HQX
DAVEG
]
------------------------------
Date: 29 Sep 86 13:58:43 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman
Subject: usenetv2-79.arc
Usenet Mac Digest Monday, 29 September 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 79
Relational Database Query
Scroller / pager
ResEdit bugs
Re: DataFrame changes
Re: Warning about More
MacServe Info Wanted
Re: DataFrame 20 (actually, shutting down Mac)
LightspeedC Update!
Apple HD20sc
Re: Odd Mac+ behavior (and "mouse thaw" FKEY?)
Converting DMS Design MacSCSI to Mac+ compatability
Re: Porting UNIX Applications to the Mac
Virtual drive packages
Review of SMASH HIT RAQUETBALL
Aztec C vs. LSC?
Wierdness with serial drivers
Wanted: TextEdit class for NEON
Re: Keyboard Layout
Pascal pointers vs. Mac pointers
Keyboard
Re: BYTE issue of September 86 focuses on the 68000
Convering Data fork stuff to a CODE resource
DiskTimer results
Re: STR# resources (Re: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #45)
[ archived as
[SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]USENETV2-79.ARC
DAVEG
]
------------------------------
Date: 29 SEP 86 14:42-EST
From: AEBERSOL%[email protected]
Subject: chinese word processor
Our East Asian Language department is trying to locate word processing
software which will handle Chinese text. Any advice/recommendations will
be greatly appreciated.
Dennis Aebersold
[email protected]
------------------------------
End of INFO-MAC Digest
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